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you're not happy with the deficit plans, you're not happy with the tax plans. but the thing that really caught my eye because it's the credo of this show. you believe that free market capitalism is the best way to grow the economy. i do too, susan. did that push you toward romney? >> absolutely. i think capitalism is the most efficient genius of american culture. and i feel that the current president doesn't see a problem that a government program can't solve. and i have much more faith in individuals. >> government trickle down. that is what the phrase that romney used. government trickle down zblin deed. >> i thought that was pretty darn clever. steve right here is cringing already about that. but government trickle down, susan. did that turn you off? >> yeah. very much so. and i think it's an accurate reflection of the philosophy of this administration. >> all right. how about the debate? we'll give you a few seconds. debate last night? please, not please? give me a quickie. >> i think you said it best, larry, when you said that the president's clock was pol
you're not happy with the deficit plans, you're not happy with the tax plans. but the thing that really caught my eye because it's the credo of this show. you believe that free market capitalism is the best way to grow the economy. i do too, susan. did that push you toward romney? >> absolutely. i think capitalism is the most efficient genius of american culture. and i feel that the current president doesn't see a problem that a government program can't solve. and i have much more faith...
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deficit larry mean that is you are spending more than you are taking in. there are two things that you can do. you have to look at the spending to determine what you have to hold on. you have to set a priority to control spending. in the second thing you must have a program to increase growth in this country and new revenue. that makes a lot of the decisions about spending easier. you get more money coming in. >> president, you have been accused by your critics of failing to deal with entitlement spending reform and basically trying to raise taxes as the only means of deficit spending. are those charges fair? >> absolutely not. we had a deal going. myself and mr. baynor until mr. can toter stepped in. what i could support is that we would have tax cuts and we would have cuts in the budget and in areas certain revenues and increased ed in taxes. it seems fair $1 of tax increases and $3 to $4 of cuts in the budget. >> 3, to $4 to $1. could you guy into that? do you think your fellow republicans could buy into that? >> the more taxes you raise, the less growt
deficit larry mean that is you are spending more than you are taking in. there are two things that you can do. you have to look at the spending to determine what you have to hold on. you have to set a priority to control spending. in the second thing you must have a program to increase growth in this country and new revenue. that makes a lot of the decisions about spending easier. you get more money coming in. >> president, you have been accused by your critics of failing to deal with...
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biggest debt and deficits as a share of gdp facing the country since world war ii. this election will have particularly rofund consequences on text market next year. >> you're looking for a profound pull back in the s&p. we're talking 100 points. 1360 is where your target is. what's that predicated on? >> a lot is the election and earnings environment. if we take the election and set it aside for now the earnings environment is deteriorating more than investors are willing to cop to at this point. first, fourth quarter of this year, we're supposed to see a remarkable recovery in earnings which i think is highly unlikely considering the macro economic climate. then an earnings kbroet in 2014. so with this fiscal uncertainty, investors have gotten a little bit ahead of themselves in terms of optimism. >> your overstating the election's impact on what the stock market will do? we had jack vogel on at the top of the show that said the market will get it wrong. >> that's possible the market gets it wrong depending on the outcome of the election. clearly this is a very ti
biggest debt and deficits as a share of gdp facing the country since world war ii. this election will have particularly rofund consequences on text market next year. >> you're looking for a profound pull back in the s&p. we're talking 100 points. 1360 is where your target is. what's that predicated on? >> a lot is the election and earnings environment. if we take the election and set it aside for now the earnings environment is deteriorating more than investors are willing to...
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and we need to cut -- close the deficit by a trillion. we got a trillion dollar deficit and it raises like -- i think it's less. maybe 40 billion. >> are you correct, it's not sufficient. >> and he's not talking about anything else. you can keep your entitlement, keep this -- he's not talking about doing specific things with entitlements. >> you're right to this extent. he's not talking specifics on entitlements. >> it's mostly we'll tax rich people so that -- or people that make over 250 and you'll basically get to keep everything including the phones. >> joe, i thought you either wanted to talk about the last minute kick that a billy -- >> i didn't see that. oh, the redskins. >> or my terrific story on debates in the "new york times" this morning. >> it was between piece. it was a very good piece. >> i did see that. >> thank you. let me recap. >> you didn't even mention the bengals beat the redskins. >> i was going to if you brought it up. and congratses on the reds, too. they have tied the nationals for best record in baseball. so we'v
and we need to cut -- close the deficit by a trillion. we got a trillion dollar deficit and it raises like -- i think it's less. maybe 40 billion. >> are you correct, it's not sufficient. >> and he's not talking about anything else. you can keep your entitlement, keep this -- he's not talking about doing specific things with entitlements. >> you're right to this extent. he's not talking specifics on entitlements. >> it's mostly we'll tax rich people so that -- or people...
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you need to gradually, year by year, reduce that deficit gradually. raise interest rates over time, in addition, need to focus from a fiscal standpoint on structural financing and structural investment that you know, this country sorely lacks. >> anyone have the will, the political will to be able to make those tough decisions right now? >> we will hear on wednesday in terms of the debates, i suspect not. the political will is divided is for their own team as for their own team, not necessarily for the united states. we are a little dour in terms of the ultimate prospects. >> matter who wins the president city for the markets? >> i don't thi so brian. i think basically what we have here is a large deficit that won't be reduced significantly. we have an easy fed that won't change its habits the next several years, the structural solutions required are five to ten years down the road. >> later on in the show, going to be talking about a mystery city that shall be unveiled that is going through its up potential minifiscal cliff, a major pension crisis. w
you need to gradually, year by year, reduce that deficit gradually. raise interest rates over time, in addition, need to focus from a fiscal standpoint on structural financing and structural investment that you know, this country sorely lacks. >> anyone have the will, the political will to be able to make those tough decisions right now? >> we will hear on wednesday in terms of the debates, i suspect not. the political will is divided is for their own team as for their own team, not...
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his plan would probably explode the budget deficit. it's not a fiscally responsible plan. >> isn't it true, chris, that he has said he needs to work with congress in terms of going into the specifics of what those loopholes are? >> well, that's true. ultima ultimately, congress, in particular the house ways and means committee, would ultima ultimately write any major tax reform plan. my problem here is tax reform is supposed to be about simplification. i think romney's $17,000 cap would complex complex if i the . that would add a whole bunch of new leans to the 1040, which would make the code more complex. i think we should go to something like the paul ryan house plan he introduced a couple years ago which would eliminate virtually all deductions and credits and use the money to simplify the tax structure down to 10 and 25%. romney needs to be more bold here. his running mate has the bold ideas for tax reform. that's where we should be going here. >> you know, we've had various members of the house ways and means committee on this pro
his plan would probably explode the budget deficit. it's not a fiscally responsible plan. >> isn't it true, chris, that he has said he needs to work with congress in terms of going into the specifics of what those loopholes are? >> well, that's true. ultima ultimately, congress, in particular the house ways and means committee, would ultima ultimately write any major tax reform plan. my problem here is tax reform is supposed to be about simplification. i think romney's $17,000 cap...
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we have seen a budget come out that continues to bring the deficit down to sustainable levels. europe has pledged to work in partnership with spain to make sure its banks get recapitalized and continue to afford a access the markets. we will see as they work in the partnerships the days ahead again, they have the tools and we see the political will on the part of the spanish go >> you watch spain, you just got back from china. i have a bunch of questions about china, stories in the paper, lael, in china is the first question, the second question is the republican nominee, mitt romney, has accused the obama administration of not being tough enough on china. the third question you have a report coming out october 15th on whether china is a currency manipulator. what are you going to say? >> well, let me just start with your first question. china's leadership team is undergoing a transition process and confront important questions how they are going to take forward their economic policy. steve, as you know, since day one, president obama's been extremely focused on achieving a mor
we have seen a budget come out that continues to bring the deficit down to sustainable levels. europe has pledged to work in partnership with spain to make sure its banks get recapitalized and continue to afford a access the markets. we will see as they work in the partnerships the days ahead again, they have the tools and we see the political will on the part of the spanish go >> you watch spain, you just got back from china. i have a bunch of questions about china, stories in the paper,...
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because it will sort of focus our priorities, getting the country's debt and deficit under control. what do you think about that? >> well, sequestration cuts the good along with the bad. not everything government does is wasteful. not everything government does is good. go after the wasteful first, go after the policies which we know don't achieve the goals they were set out to meet. we don't think sequestration -- sequestration was set up as a threat, such a horrible threat that it would force congress to act and hasn't forced congress to act yet. we hope it will in the lame duck, that they'll take thoughtful steps by going after wasteful programs first. >> you're right. it hasn't gotten them to act yet. ryan, good to talk to you. thanks so much. >> thanks so much for having us. >> see you soon. "fast money" begins at the top of the hour. >>> our traders give you the top picks for the fourth quarter. then we'll have all the headlines coming from the value investing congress. our traders will give you the trade. we'll also have the founder of 13 d monitor tell you how you could inve
because it will sort of focus our priorities, getting the country's debt and deficit under control. what do you think about that? >> well, sequestration cuts the good along with the bad. not everything government does is wasteful. not everything government does is good. go after the wasteful first, go after the policies which we know don't achieve the goals they were set out to meet. we don't think sequestration -- sequestration was set up as a threat, such a horrible threat that it would...
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it's four years later we have trillion-dollar deficits. the cbo says we'll have a trillion-dollar deficit each of the next four years. if you're elected we'll get to a trillion-dollar debt. you said before you'd cut the deficit in half and i love this idea of $4 trillion in cuts. you found $4 trillion of ways to reduce or get closer to a balanced budget except we show trillion-dollar deficits every year. that doesn't get the job done. >> what you heard from president obama in coming back was saying that mitt romney had abandoned his tax cut plan, that is not true because what mitt romney said was it was going to be paid for but he also said that the challenge of achieving all the things romney wants to do at the same time, cut tax rates, not increase the deficit or burden the middle class is impossible to do. >> the only way to meet governor romney's pledge of not reducing the deficit or not adding to the deficit is by burdening middle class families, the average middle class family with children would pay about $2,000 more. >> now bottom
it's four years later we have trillion-dollar deficits. the cbo says we'll have a trillion-dollar deficit each of the next four years. if you're elected we'll get to a trillion-dollar debt. you said before you'd cut the deficit in half and i love this idea of $4 trillion in cuts. you found $4 trillion of ways to reduce or get closer to a balanced budget except we show trillion-dollar deficits every year. that doesn't get the job done. >> what you heard from president obama in coming back...
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. >> coming up, will our children hate us because of our debt and deficit? the architect of greece's debt deal is here with a warning letter later on the "closing bell." >>> also coming up, nightmare in california. why the golden state is the only one in the country to see higher pump prices over the past couple of weeks and what that could mean for the rest of us. >>> up next, mixed signals. major averages may be near multihighs but we'll make sense out of the good and ugly. i'm an expert on softball. and tea parties. i'll have more awkward conversations than i'm equipped for because i'm raising two girls on my own. i'll worry about the economy more than a few times before they're grown. but it's for them, so i've found a way. who matters most to you says the most about you. massmutual is owned by our policyholders so they matter most to us. massmutual. we'll help you get there. tdd#: 1-800-345-2550 let's talk about low-cost investing. tdd#: 1-800-345-2550 at schwab, we're committed to offering you tdd#: 1-800-345-2550 low-cost investment options-- tdd#: 1-
. >> coming up, will our children hate us because of our debt and deficit? the architect of greece's debt deal is here with a warning letter later on the "closing bell." >>> also coming up, nightmare in california. why the golden state is the only one in the country to see higher pump prices over the past couple of weeks and what that could mean for the rest of us. >>> up next, mixed signals. major averages may be near multihighs but we'll make sense out of the...
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33% say creating jobs. 13% say reforming the tax code. 33% say reducing the federal deficit. 6% say health care. 15% say i don't really care. fascinating. >>> let's see what's coming up on street signs. mandy? >> okay. we're going to take a look at why oil prices are dropping for all the wrong reasons on street sign. yeah, we might get cheaper gas eventually, but at what cost to the global economy? >>> then, we're going to debate what is better for your money, an obama win or a romney win. >>> plus, the one thing that wall street wants to hear at tonight's debate. >>> and later on, american airlines says all the seats are fixed. >>> lots of things coming up at the top of the hour. back to you on "power lunch." >>> the world's top asset managers and investors are meeting today to discuss the economic landscape and how to navigate it. our david faber is with them at the barefoot economic summit in larue, texas. >> i've joined by founder, cio of golden tree house and management. they're in bank loans, they're in bond, distressed investments, private equity structured products. credit is the n
33% say creating jobs. 13% say reforming the tax code. 33% say reducing the federal deficit. 6% say health care. 15% say i don't really care. fascinating. >>> let's see what's coming up on street signs. mandy? >> okay. we're going to take a look at why oil prices are dropping for all the wrong reasons on street sign. yeah, we might get cheaper gas eventually, but at what cost to the global economy? >>> then, we're going to debate what is better for your money, an obama...
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that there's a long-term address to the whole issue of the fiscal deficit. >> unfortunately, not this time around. >> mohammed, earlier today, the founder of pimco tweeted out some investment recommendations, including buying spanish and italian bonds, government bonds, which sounds almost contrarian when we're so worried about what's going on with europe. what's the investment thesis behind that? >> it's simple. it is to respect what central banks are doing. i think the ecb has left no doubt in anybody's mind, including in its statements just yesterday that it is effectively all in. it is committed to buying as many bonds as it needs to up to three years in order to stabilize the markets. all it needs is the government to deliver. in the short term, ie the next few months and quarters, we believe that will hold. we believe spain will apply and the ecb will come in. therefore, there are certain bonds and certain maturities we find attractive. >> what kind of maturities, what kind of bonds? of course spain is trying to put this decision off past the regional elections. somebody is goin
that there's a long-term address to the whole issue of the fiscal deficit. >> unfortunately, not this time around. >> mohammed, earlier today, the founder of pimco tweeted out some investment recommendations, including buying spanish and italian bonds, government bonds, which sounds almost contrarian when we're so worried about what's going on with europe. what's the investment thesis behind that? >> it's simple. it is to respect what central banks are doing. i think the ecb...
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>> there's no question the deficits have exploded under them. the last two decades among the two wars and the mistakes in my opinion, we blew a lot of money. multiples of what we blew before. so, you know, my attitude is that -- >> jimmy, my question is do you have any confidence no matter who is in office that actually the hard cuts that need to be made ultimately to make any text plan deficit neutral are actually going to happen? >> and my question to you comes down to a simple question. >> do you believe in the tooth fairy? >> who does the president listen to? i wonder if you could name for me four or five executives who have been advising the president and that he's been listening to. okay, four. okay, three. okay, two. okay, one. i'm waiting. one name. >> well -- >> you would argue -- >> if you think general electric the irrelevant to what's wrong with the country today. >> we have steve case on the air a lot who makes that argument. i think you are probably more right than wrong. >> ubs was losing their clients because of their affiliate w
>> there's no question the deficits have exploded under them. the last two decades among the two wars and the mistakes in my opinion, we blew a lot of money. multiples of what we blew before. so, you know, my attitude is that -- >> jimmy, my question is do you have any confidence no matter who is in office that actually the hard cuts that need to be made ultimately to make any text plan deficit neutral are actually going to happen? >> and my question to you comes down to a...
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let me mention something about the deficit. this idea of every year america spending and the federal government a trillion dollars more than we take in is bad for our economy and bad for the next generation. it's immore for us to keep spending than we take in. oil cap federal spending and get us on track to a balanced budget. >> all right. we're going to leave that speech here. and we'll wait to see if he make some specific comments about the jobs report. he didn't. we'll show you what's the average is going. dow is going negative. nasdaq and dow and the s&p have lost a little bit of altitude. apple not helping when it comes to the nasdaq. all right. romney talk being about jobs. we're talking about jobs today. guys, you heard what steve liesman had to say. >> do ible the number? probably not. when you look at the decrease it became something that did make us all scratch our heads. to steve's point i would address this. i drove a cadillac -- when i brought my fwal to the prom as not in a pinto it was an el dorado. this 114,000
let me mention something about the deficit. this idea of every year america spending and the federal government a trillion dollars more than we take in is bad for our economy and bad for the next generation. it's immore for us to keep spending than we take in. oil cap federal spending and get us on track to a balanced budget. >> all right. we're going to leave that speech here. and we'll wait to see if he make some specific comments about the jobs report. he didn't. we'll show you what's...
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before we get to the deficit and all of the debates last week. were you depressed, unhappy, miserable? give us an adjective. >> well one, i'm not depressed. i see joe smiling. he's not going to yell at me today. >> there's a number of polls, an enthusiasm gap. >> i wouldn't say that. governor romney had a very good debate, no question, he put on a great show, but to me i think we should be focusing, this is a business show on friday's unemployment number, which was a great number, and not a surprise, based on what the economy's been doing over the last three years. >> 114,000 is not a great number. >> 140,000 on average over the last six months. >> what came out on friday was below expectations for 114,000. >> you know what revisions has done each month so we should look to see where the revisions are. i think if you look over this year, you're averaging about 140,000, i think we should -- >> 140,000 is anemic and not enough to bring down the rate even though it has somehow. >> i would look at it differently. i think over the last three years the
before we get to the deficit and all of the debates last week. were you depressed, unhappy, miserable? give us an adjective. >> well one, i'm not depressed. i see joe smiling. he's not going to yell at me today. >> there's a number of polls, an enthusiasm gap. >> i wouldn't say that. governor romney had a very good debate, no question, he put on a great show, but to me i think we should be focusing, this is a business show on friday's unemployment number, which was a great...
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off the deficit. nobody ever said that. >> do you think there's any scenario that someone gets elected, they do some things that make us get back to 3 to 3.5% growth which makes this a whole different picture? >> there must be a scenario. i can't lay it out but there are a lot of things that can happen. in the u.s. the dollar is low and that's a critical input. if you look at where growth has got to come from, it's got to come from consumption, got to come from government spending or investment or exports. nothing else. there's nothing else there. >> the rest of the globe is slowing down. how do you get exports going in. >> the dollar goes down. >> people say the euro is overvalued now. you think the euro is overvalued now. >> yes. >> it helps us if it's overvalued. >> it does help you. >> what would it take to you go long in the euro, have to win the lottery? what would it take? there's no scenario which you'd go long in euro. >> and the euro is not one critter anymore. it ought to be a northern euro
off the deficit. nobody ever said that. >> do you think there's any scenario that someone gets elected, they do some things that make us get back to 3 to 3.5% growth which makes this a whole different picture? >> there must be a scenario. i can't lay it out but there are a lot of things that can happen. in the u.s. the dollar is low and that's a critical input. if you look at where growth has got to come from, it's got to come from consumption, got to come from government spending...
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president arguing romney's plan on taxes and the deficit are the same types of ideas that caused the recession. here's what romney had to say about tackling the ballooning debt. >> i think it's not just an economic issue. i think it's a moral issue. i think it's frankly not moral for my generation to keep spending massively more than we take in, knowing those burdens are going to be passed on to the next generation. and they're going to be paying the interest and the principal ail their lives. and the amount of debt we're adding at a trillion a year is simply not moral. >> jim, that's a message that is probably pretty effective to a middle-income voter in ohio or pennsylvania. but i know last night you were all about the things that were said about coal, things that were said about solar, and there were a million trades in there last night. >> at jim cramer on twitter, i try to come to play with what i can do, which is that if you wanted to know specific stocks to buy off this, of which by the way, there were many, if you felt that obama were to lose and romney to win, this is a gift
president arguing romney's plan on taxes and the deficit are the same types of ideas that caused the recession. here's what romney had to say about tackling the ballooning debt. >> i think it's not just an economic issue. i think it's a moral issue. i think it's frankly not moral for my generation to keep spending massively more than we take in, knowing those burdens are going to be passed on to the next generation. and they're going to be paying the interest and the principal ail their...
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you mentioned that mitt romney's closed the deficit among likely voters for obama from five points to three points. and in florida, he's closed from five down to one which is tied given the margin of error in our poll. in virginia, he has closed the gap from five to two. if you look at the state of ohio, a must-win state for mitt romney, mathematically possible for him to get to it without it but his strategists think he needs it. he needs to make progress there. but the fact that some of the national polls are coming back a little bit, some of the swing state polls are tightening, is a bit of an earn couragement for romney that he still has an opportunity for deficit with three or four points to change the dynamic in some way. he's got to hope that obama is not on his best game. you could have a scenario that like what happened in 2000 where george w. bush moved significantly without gore and ultimately became president. >> it's interesting that the poll also shows, as you mention, this 12% of swingable votes in the middle that he could potentially get a hold of. also ensuring that t
you mentioned that mitt romney's closed the deficit among likely voters for obama from five points to three points. and in florida, he's closed from five down to one which is tied given the margin of error in our poll. in virginia, he has closed the gap from five to two. if you look at the state of ohio, a must-win state for mitt romney, mathematically possible for him to get to it without it but his strategists think he needs it. he needs to make progress there. but the fact that some of the...
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imagine what would happen if we dealt with the budget deficit in a meaningful way and did deal with the issues? one thinks the uncertainty cloud goes away. if it doesn't, there's something else going on. >> i was referring to a sorkin column arguing that a lot of the p.e. firms have to use this money in the next few months. pretty lofty money when you talk about price times, even at dow, right? >> i'm surprised there hasn't been more activity from private equity. they need to put the money to work or god forbid to give it back. that's not something they want to do. they can borrow fairly well. maybe not to the size overall of the deals percentagewise, but incredibly generous terms and we have not seen the kind of deals we may have anticipated. i know andrew wrote about that today. >> i'm pro-law on "mad money" as the large real estate trusts are getting industrial use in warehouses. he said something really interesting, you know what? we are finally running out of space. we are going to have to start building. nobody's building anything. don wood and comes, we are almost out of shopping
imagine what would happen if we dealt with the budget deficit in a meaningful way and did deal with the issues? one thinks the uncertainty cloud goes away. if it doesn't, there's something else going on. >> i was referring to a sorkin column arguing that a lot of the p.e. firms have to use this money in the next few months. pretty lofty money when you talk about price times, even at dow, right? >> i'm surprised there hasn't been more activity from private equity. they need to put...
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and doesn't resolve the question about how do you keep the code without increasing the deficit. but it's a promising proposal that tax policy exports like because it is achievable. now, if you lump the deductions together and don't fight them one by one and have a cap, that is easier to get done. >> on that 17,000, a, do you think we're going to hear about it tonight? does that include things like charitable deductions, mortgage deductions? how far do you think that goes? >> reporter: yes, it does. >> 17,000 cap across the board. that is meaningful. that would have a huge impact on the real estate market, it would have a huge impact broadly. >> reporter: yes, i believe from what i was reading yesterday, and i haven't gotten a chance to delve into it that $17,000 level was set purposefully because people in the under $200,000 income category generally speaking don't have more than that, right? but it makes it easier to begin taking on deductions as you move up the scale. so i do think it's positive. i would expect him to get asked about it and, you know, if he starts sketching ou
and doesn't resolve the question about how do you keep the code without increasing the deficit. but it's a promising proposal that tax policy exports like because it is achievable. now, if you lump the deductions together and don't fight them one by one and have a cap, that is easier to get done. >> on that 17,000, a, do you think we're going to hear about it tonight? does that include things like charitable deductions, mortgage deductions? how far do you think that goes? >>...
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so depending on which way the electorate goes, you're going to see the deficit reduced either by tax increases or public spending cuts or a bit of both. and i do think the intrenched positions you've had the last year and a half will in the send cause someone to blink, either the administration or congress because ultimately neither will want to push the u.s. into an unnecessary recession next year. the answer is, yes, i expect some compromise. may seem foolish given the behavior of washington in the last few quarters. but having said that, i do think you're going to see some compromise. and ultimately, although it has hurt the market, it won't be too much of a negative going into next year. >> some may argue the more important elections in the next few weeks are the spanish regional elections on the 21st, which may trigger or allow spain to then ask for a bailout. do you think that's the event to watch as opposed to -- earnings season is great, it's not going to be a headwind in your view. but do we really need spain to request a bailout in order for us -- the equity markets to move
so depending on which way the electorate goes, you're going to see the deficit reduced either by tax increases or public spending cuts or a bit of both. and i do think the intrenched positions you've had the last year and a half will in the send cause someone to blink, either the administration or congress because ultimately neither will want to push the u.s. into an unnecessary recession next year. the answer is, yes, i expect some compromise. may seem foolish given the behavior of washington...
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with 40 or 50 hedge fund managers and it comes up a lot in the larger context, of course, with the deficit and what we're going to do about it. >> there's no doubt. if you were to get a $4 trillion deduction, it would be, than the numbers themselves. >> captured by the tea party. do you think the tea party will make a deal? this is the kind of talk you get. as soon as you say something like what i just said. cramer on twitter say i'm a house man for higher stock prices and that's what i stand for. that's the campaign that i've had. my principles are clear. you get this thing resolved with the fiscal cliff and the stock prices go up. that's my party and i'm in the higher stock price party and i'm not in the pajama party, by the way. >> you have jim brown talking about investors fleeing the market and the percentage of households from 2001 that have stocks or stock funs down to 46% now. i mean, is that a contrarian indicator of any kind? we make fun of these types of stories constantly. >> you see that the stock market was down? the machines are in charge. 50% of the trading and the sec is b
with 40 or 50 hedge fund managers and it comes up a lot in the larger context, of course, with the deficit and what we're going to do about it. >> there's no doubt. if you were to get a $4 trillion deduction, it would be, than the numbers themselves. >> captured by the tea party. do you think the tea party will make a deal? this is the kind of talk you get. as soon as you say something like what i just said. cramer on twitter say i'm a house man for higher stock prices and that's...